A REASONABLE CASE

A discussion about religion, reality and reason
THE PROBLEM OF VALUES
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THE PROBLEM OF VALUES
19th Oct 2014, 3:37 PM
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alschroeder
Continuing a look at the origin of reality...largely inspired and derived from George F.R. Ellis' brilliant brief book, BEFORE THE BEGINNING. He is NOT responsible, though, for the liberties I've taken with his logic or how I've chosen to illustrate it.


I found before I got to the problem of evil (AND good) I have to examine a little our own value systems, and it's origins. I hate to leave the hard sciences for the more "fuzzy" ones like sociology and philosophy, but it's really necessary in this case. (The success of the hard sciences are actually due to the simplicity of their subject matter. All electrons, for instance, are alike. But one human--Socrates, Gandhi, Martin Luther King-- can make decisions that affect the rest for centurites, at least.)


The third feature above directly ties into the power of evil and good, which is why we had to go this route. What is evil and good from society to society often differs in detail but is often the same in the broad strokes, although sometimes surpressed by the individual society. (Nazi Germany, Torquemada's Inquisition, etc.) Self-sacrifice for others is considered a good in practically all societies, for instance. (We'll get into sociobiological explanations for morality in same and their inherent limitations in some detail.)


If one goal of the universe's design is to create sentient life, it may be worth examining the only sentient society we know, and find what they have in common. This will all tie back together.




Next time: POSSIBLE CAUSES


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man in black
man in black
Great page
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jamoecw
they are not universal to people, but to societies. why are they universal to societies? because without them the society doesn't get formed. hope let's those in tough times keep going for those in good times. understanding and truth bring about the ability to change and adapt. values allow people to work together. a sense of purpose gives a reason for people to work together. art is about conveying ideas.

all of these things are needed to create groups of people that work together towards a common purpose, and have that group last long enough to become a society.

ants and bees form colonies, which are similar to societies, however they are made up of non sentient individuals, and don't adapt socially to new conditions.

if we were telepathic we probably wouldn't have created art. if life was fair we wouldn't need hope. if we weren't sentient individuals we wouldn't need a greater meaning. if we were part of a collective mind we wouldn't need justice. if the universe was static we wouldn't need curiosity.
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